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Taylor Knibb: Two Time Ironman 70.3 Champion and Two Time Olympic Silver Medalist

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Justin Metzler:

I'm really excited about today's episode. It was one of the more fun ones that we've filmed here. I had, the special opportunity to not only have 2 time world champion Taylor Knibb in the studio, but I also was welcomed by my wife, Jeannie Metzler, who co hosted the episode. We got into a lot of things with Taylor. She doesn't do a lot of podcasts, so I was super, pumped for this opportunity to ask her deep questions about her mindset, her motivation, her team that's around her, and overall just thought it was a amazing episode and a real kind of inside look at to what makes Taylor Nib tick.

Justin Metzler:

So enjoy this episode. I did enjoy it very much. Okay. Welcome to another episode of the Endurance Matters podcast. I'm your host, Justin Metzler.

Justin Metzler:

The woman beside me, the women beside me need no introduction, but today in studio, we have 2 time Olympic silver medalist, 2 times 70.3 world champion, good friend of the Metzlers, Taylor Knibb. Taylor, thanks for coming on the podcast.

Taylor Knibb:

Thank you for having me and bringing Jeannie on too. That's the only way I was

Jeanni Metzler:

dragged into it. Jeannie, first question's for Jeannie.

Justin Metzler:

Jeannie, why are you here?

Jeanni Metzler:

Because you told me to be here. You don't ask me to be on podcasts, at all. So, when you did ask, I I felt obligated. And, yeah, I mean, I like Taylor, so that's why I'm here.

Justin Metzler:

As as mutual, Jeannie and I are fans of Taylor, and I said, you know what? If I was gonna have a good time having that episode with Taylor, Jeannie couldn't miss out on that, so she's here too.

Jeanni Metzler:

I probably would have been more comfortable on the couch listening to you guys, but, here Here we are. Alright.

Justin Metzler:

This is Jeannie's debut co hosting an episode of a podcast. So, Taylor, I always start off the podcast with a ice breaking hard hitting question. So you ready for the icebreaker question?

Taylor Knibb:

I'm concerned.

Justin Metzler:

No. There's there's nothing to be concerned about. Would you rather have access to unlimited Crumble Cookies, but be banned from using all sports nutrition products or have as many sports nutrition products as you like, but you're banned from Crumble For Life?

Jeanni Metzler:

Obviously, from The Feed.

Justin Metzler:

From The Feed. Dotcom.

Taylor Knibb:

Well, I think I'd have to we might answer this question better in a year because the boulder crumble just closed. So now I have to go out to Superior or Longmont, I think, for crumble. Oh, I think I have to say sports nutrition I'd choose. But that's

Justin Metzler:

That's a pro in you. You know? That's the pro. You could I mean, I could see Taylor eating a crumble cookie in the middle of an Ironman bike ride, though, easily.

Taylor Knibb:

Okay. The bike within what's the run look like? Like, it's funny, dropping, littering the whole way with crumbs.

Justin Metzler:

Maybe you can just, like, scoop off the frosting and put that in some sort of flask.

Jeanni Metzler:

Or a ziplock bag

Taylor Knibb:

and just kinda squeeze it

Justin Metzler:

off. Bottom off like icing like, icing a cake.

Taylor Knibb:

Tell me how that works and all the Koreans that are

Justin Metzler:

Alright. Perfect. That's a fair answer. It's a fair answer. You gotta be loyal to the sponsors too.

Justin Metzler:

Alright. I wanna get into it a little bit. Like, a lot of people know that your mom was an avid, Ironman triathlete, and so you had exposure to triathlon at a fairly young age. Like, what was your first memory of the sport, and, why was it something that you got into?

Taylor Knibb:

That's actually a good question, my first memory. Like, I have, like I don't know. My memory is not perfect, so it's like you have, like, bits and pieces. But my mom would always watch the reruns of Kona, and so I'd always come in when I know that no. If you've watched the NBC, like, production of it, but it's always, like, all the finishers at the end.

Taylor Knibb:

And so, like, you know, all the flags and it was dark, and I saw the finish line. But it took me, like, years to realize what I had been watching because I was like, okay, mom. You're done with your workout. Like, let's go play now. Like, this is because it would always be to the end when I'd come in.

Taylor Knibb:

But I think the first time I don't even remember the first time I watched her race, but it was just I was dragged to a lot of races. And my brother and I were always on the sidelines, and I was always so jealous of everyone racing that that's, like, I just wanted to be out there. I don't know why. It was just a feeling. And so that's what got me into it.

Justin Metzler:

That's cool. When did you do your first race?

Taylor Knibb:

2009.

Justin Metzler:

2009. So you how old were you then?

Taylor Knibb:

11. And it had to be a kid's race. I was very disappointed by that. It felt too short. And then that was always, like, I just wanted to keep going longer.

Taylor Knibb:

And that then there were, like, blockages of minimum age requirements. And so I had to, like, kind of stick to different things, but I loved it. I just keep wanting to keep going.

Justin Metzler:

I think we spoke about this when we had dinner one time because I had a very similar situation where I was wanting to do a 70.3, but I 16, so they wouldn't let me do it. And then I had to, like, sign a special waiver, and then I got in.

Taylor Knibb:

When I was 12, I did a sprint distance with my mom, and she had to ride next to me the whole time to make sure I could finish it. And so then once I finished it, the second race in that series I was allowed to do on my own, but, like, that was a big deal.

Justin Metzler:

Totally. Totally. What were you doing for training? Were you immediately hooked on the training, or was it one of those things where you just, like, rocked up to the triathlon and did it?

Taylor Knibb:

It rocked up to the triathlon and did it. Like, I came I swam, and so I would swim, train, I guess. And that was just, like, all growing up separately. I played ice hockey because my dad played ice hockey, and he was determined to have one of his kids be really good at ice hockey. But we have no fast twitch fibers in our bodies, so that didn't work.

Taylor Knibb:

And I'm not aggressive enough, but I played until I was 14. So that actually paralleled with triathlon a bit, and I just, like, would show up and do it. I don't know if that was how you were, but, like, there was no training. It was

Justin Metzler:

Mine was a little bit different because my, like, my dad was training. And so he before I started doing races, he was just kind of, like, come to train. And so we would just, like, ride together. And then it was, like, oh, sign up for a race. Okay.

Justin Metzler:

Do a race. And then it was, like, I'll sign up for a half Ironman. I could do that too.

Taylor Knibb:

Yep. Maybe I ran with my mom once a week, but that's, like, that was the training. Like, can you imagine if you did one training session a week?

Justin Metzler:

Alright. So that's that's very cool. I mean, obviously, like, it's it's awesome to have like, you need that. It's not, a shocker to me that you had exposure to a triathlon at a at a young age. Yeah.

Justin Metzler:

Talk to us a little bit about kind of obviously, there was so much time. Like, you know, you're still young, but you've had a long career already just having started when you're 11 years old. You've done it for, what, 14, 15 years at this point.

Taylor Knibb:

That sounds like a very long time, but, yes, I guess so. That's the math.

Justin Metzler:

Yeah. So I think, like, you know, you stuck to draft legal triathlon for a while. Like, talk to us a little bit about racing the ITU and racing draft legal triathlon versus maybe, the itch to go long course? And, maybe talk to us a little bit about, like, when how you felt during that time period when you were exclusively focusing on short course, but long course might have been calling.

Taylor Knibb:

I think long course has always been calling. So in 2013, I met my 1st triathlon coach at Saint Anthony's. And I was doing the Olympic distance, and so in 2013, I was, what, 15? And I was doing a draft legal race the next weekend. And so we, like, my mom made us go to this clinic to talk to this coach to ask some questions about my first draft legal race.

Taylor Knibb:

But I was informing her that I was doing my first 70.3 that year. Like, there was there this is how things were working. And she's like, woah. Woah. Woah.

Taylor Knibb:

Woah. Like, hold your horses. And so I think, like, the long course hitch was there way before the short course hitch. And then it became more of, like, I was put on that path. But, like, I've always like, cone has been my dream.

Taylor Knibb:

It was not the Olympics. So I don't wanna be harsh about that, but that was just that's my reality. That's what I grew up around, and that's what I saw.

Justin Metzler:

Yep. Do you think that that because getting into Short Course, you know, before Jeanne and I even had met you, you know, you had come on to some of those Short Course races and, like, won them or gotten on the podium. Like, did you even when you were having success at short course, did you still feel like that path was being forced upon you a bit, or did you embrace it a little bit more when you started to get a couple good results?

Taylor Knibb:

I enjoyed it. It's always like I don't know. I like I I love getting better at things. And so when you're not, I don't know. It's really hard to have a perfect race.

Taylor Knibb:

So once you, like, start doing something, then it's like, oh, I wanna get good at that. Whether or not that was, like, your initial goal. So with short course, it was just like there was this, like, very good progression from youth league to junior elite and then, like, racing at the world championships and then into my, like, racing elite races and World Cups and World Series races. And the nice thing is I was so inconsistent. That was all awful.

Taylor Knibb:

Couldn't deal with that. But because I was going to school, so it was like I felt like my career was not on pause for 4 years, but it was just like get through college, and then you can focus again.

Justin Metzler:

Yeah. For sure. Talk to me a little bit about, like, that time at Cornell. How much time did you spend studying? Because Cornell is not an easy school academically.

Justin Metzler:

How much time was spent doing triathlon and, collegiate sports versus studying and focusing on getting good grades?

Taylor Knibb:

A lot of time was spent studying and getting good grades. Like, I wouldn't yeah. I I don't wanna remember what I used to do to myself. It was probably very harsh. But I remember by my junior year, maybe senior year, I finally told my triathlon coach, I'm like, I cannot do 3 sessions in a day.

Taylor Knibb:

Like, that is just do not give this to me. Because if I do 3, it would boil over to the next day because I was either missing on sleep or missing on studying that just, like, piled up. It's like once the semester at Cornell got rolling, you just felt like you were behind until you turned everything in at the end. So that's a lovely way to live for 4 months straight, and then I was just wrecked after that. So if I could do it over again, I don't think I think I would do a lot of things different, but you can't.

Taylor Knibb:

And I got through it, and it wasn't pretty. I never nailed a track season in college. I kinda figured out cross country, and my triathlon results were I got lapped by Florida being Bermuda. Like, that was it was very humbling.

Justin Metzler:

So I

Taylor Knibb:

think it was also good just to experience that of, like, learning how you don't wanna learn how to lose, but learning how to lose.

Justin Metzler:

Sure. What's one thing you would have done differently looking at it now?

Taylor Knibb:

I think at first, I would have joined the swim team because I didn't have so I went from a huge swim program, and I had people to train with every single day. And then I did learn how to swim on my own, which I think is a skill that I have now. But, oh, those were a rough 2 years. And it was my cross country coach who told me, he's like, you need to join the swim team. Like, your swimming is awful in triathlon racing.

Taylor Knibb:

And Oh, wow. And he's like, so he's like, I've talked to I've talked to Pat, and he's gonna let you train with them. And I'm like, well, thank you, Artie. Like, not very many cross country coaches would do that or say that because he cared about my racing outside of the collegiate program a lot. And so but, yeah, I think I would have joined the swim team earlier.

Taylor Knibb:

It's a great team. And so I loved once I did, like, getting to meet those people and enjoy that.

Justin Metzler:

Yep. Do you think that the college coaches, particularly your college running coach, knew that they had someone who could potentially make to the Olympics or be really successful beyond college, and they were kinda giving you that lenience? Or was it something that you were saying, hey. Like, in order for me to be the best athlete and the best person, like, I I wanna be able to do triathlon in addition to running?

Taylor Knibb:

I'm not sure. I'd have to ask my coach. And he would probably be very honest, but I think he he kept a very big team because he knew that it was important for everyone to have a lot of goals. Like, a lot of there were some coaches in our league who people would come to them and they'd say, okay. I wanna be an engineer.

Taylor Knibb:

And the coach would say, no. You can either be an engineer or run. And so a lot of them ended up at Cornell because my coach was like, well, some of my best runners have been engineers. Like, great. And

Jeanni Metzler:

they had

Taylor Knibb:

hard lives. They you can see a lot of them. But, like, it was just he was open to trying new things and experimenting and realizing that there are a lot of different ways to get success. And so he he would always say there was gonna be a freshman in the top 7, but he never knew which one.

Justin Metzler:

And

Taylor Knibb:

he'd have a class of, like, 10 and he'd have, like, these superstars from high school and you just never knew how the cards were gonna fall. So he was open to he he used to tell us all the time. He's like, there is no pecking order on our team. And we had to always, like, live by that because anyone can beat you on any given day. And that was it wasn't more of a competitive drive, like, to make us so competitive against each other, but more like anyone can succeed and you have to respect that.

Justin Metzler:

Yep. No. A 100%. Yeah.

Jeanni Metzler:

And just circling back to kind of, like, the stream of Kona that you had and then balancing college, all the activities that you were doing, was that just, like, kind of getting through college in order to get to that Kona? Or was it, like what what was the reasoning behind, like, you know, focusing on the Olympics before going long course? Because I know for myself, I tried an ITU race when I was 17, 18, and I got smacked around in the swim. And I was like, I'm never doing this again. Like, I need to try something else.

Jeanni Metzler:

And I went over to long course, and I was like, oh, okay. This is a bit more mellow. No one's hitting me around. I think I can do this. And I loved it, and I never looked back.

Jeanni Metzler:

You know? So what made you get into just, like, going for the Olympic dream, I guess?

Taylor Knibb:

That's a good question because I just had that exact experience 2 weeks ago. And I said it was the first time actually that I said to myself, I'm not doing that anymore. And don't worry. That only lasted a week. Sure.

Taylor Knibb:

Because I think well, because I think there's, like, there's a drive to okay. Like, yes, winning is so much fun, but there's also a dream of, like, mastering things and executing well and just, like, you know what? You wanna see what your potential is. And if that lands you 5th on the day, it's, like, okay. Like, I can live with that, but I don't really wanna live with not seeing where that falls.

Jeanni Metzler:

Yep. And Yeah. That's a good answer.

Taylor Knibb:

So I don't know if I wanna go to another Olympics, but I do wanna continue short course because I still feel like I need to try some things. I wanna experiment with some things, and I wanna master it a bit more. That's the danger. That's the addictive part of this story.

Jeanni Metzler:

Absolutely. No. That I I get that.

Justin Metzler:

Do you think you could potentially get caught in a cycle where you're chasing maybe, like, a false truth of maybe nailing that race? Like you said, no triathlon's perfect. And if you're continuously in this cycle of, like, oh, I need to get a a more a better IT race, a better ITU race, You could spend the next 15 years trying to continue to go to Olympics and and ITU races, maybe not find it, and pick up your head and be like, oh, wow. Like, I don't have that much more time for Kona. Or are you sort of planning it out and saying, hey.

Justin Metzler:

I'm giving myself x amount of time to get this short course thing right. And then if not, I'm moving on.

Taylor Knibb:

Yes. I don't know. If you talk to anyone who's worked with me in the past 3 weeks, they'd be like, yeah. Maybe don't ask Taylor that question right now because the dancer changes by the hour right now. But, I think also in terms of just learning skills, there's so much that I still need to learn and I haven't necessarily had the time for because I've made the mistake of just, like, jumping from big goal to big goal to big goal to big goal, and you never really pause and are like like, now I'm pausing and gonna work on my nutrition for the first time.

Justin Metzler:

Like That's awesome.

Taylor Knibb:

I've been shoving that, like because when you're like when you have a big race in 8 weeks, it's like, I need to focus on this, and you kinda scrap the things that will take too much time and energy. And I'm I'm too good at that to, like, continue. It's like, you know what? I need to go back to the basics. I'm gonna hire a bike skills coach.

Taylor Knibb:

I wanna hire a bike tactics coach. This sounds like a lot of cooks in the kitchen. But don't worry. Everyone has their purpose, but it's, like, really learn it. And then when I feel like I put my best foot forward, like, okay.

Taylor Knibb:

Then I want to assess it.

Justin Metzler:

Yeah. Fair play. I think, like, I always use the analogy of when you're looking at an athlete, you wanna try and grab the lowest hanging fruit first, and I think it's hard when you just have so much coming at you. But if you still feel if if Taylor Nibb still feels like there's low hanging fruit, that's a scary thing for the world of triathlon.

Jeanni Metzler:

Yeah. Seriously.

Justin Metzler:

Because if you feel like there's a lot of things that you can change in a short period of time and get a lot better from, that is going to propel your performances to, like, a stratosphere that we don't know about.

Taylor Knibb:

Well, you hope, but you also don't know in terms of how it lines up with your health and other things going on in your life. Because it's like, you know what? You could have, like, everything teed up to this perfect thing, and then you get sick or you get injured or something happens way outside of your control. And so you just kind of have to appreciate the good while you're in it. But yes.

Taylor Knibb:

You also wanna keep getting better and keep, like, improving.

Justin Metzler:

No. That's huge. I wanna circle back on that when we talk about some mindset stuff later, but that is, like, the biggest piece of advice that I look back looking at my career is just appreciate when things are going well. And, like, when you have a victory or you have a podium or you even if you just have a race that you're really proud of, and like you said, you come 5th, not taking that for granted is, like, the biggest piece of advice I give people who are, like, coming into success. And you've already experienced that a lot, so I don't need to give it to you.

Justin Metzler:

But, no.

Taylor Knibb:

We all need reminders. I think that's the thing. Like, you you learn and then you have to relearn and you have relearn and relearn. It's like Yeah.

Justin Metzler:

And then sometimes you just need to be reminded. Like, sometimes you just get caught on that hamster wheel of, like, oh, this is my new normal of, like, okay, the next race, the next race, the next race. And sometimes you have to take a step back and be like, woah. It was really cool that I achieved x or y, you know. This episode is brought to you by Pillar Performance.

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Justin Metzler:

For anywhere else in the world, head to pillar performance dot shop and enter endurance for 15% off all first time purchases. Okay. So I wanna talk a little bit more about you getting into long course. Like, I'm obviously interested in long course triathlon. Genie's interested in long course triathlon.

Justin Metzler:

I'm sure we'll talk more about short course like we have here. But from Genie and I's perspective, when you because we got kinda got to know you when you were right at that, changing point from short course to long course. And to us, it just seemed like you were just a caged animal trying to get to long course. And when you got there, it was awesome because you had all this excitement, but there was just from the outside looking in, there was just so much comfort that it seemed like you had in a long course race. Like, you just you just took to it, like, super well.

Justin Metzler:

There's an analogy there that I can't remember right now. But, you just took to it super well. And so talk talk to us a little bit about that time in your life. And, Jeanie, I'm interested to hear took

Jeanni Metzler:

to it like a duck on water.

Taylor Knibb:

Duck on water. Fish in water. And, yeah, and I ended up right next to you at every single race. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Jeanni Metzler:

I mean, I was pretty privileged to to do, your first 70.3, race here in Boulder. That was that was pretty fun. And, yeah, it's just it it was fun to just watch you. I mean, you did it on a road bike, and, I I mean, I was still far behind you on and you are on a road bike here in Boulder, which is super impressive. So I was like, when this school gets a time trial bike, the world is in trouble.

Taylor Knibb:

But you never know. The the lower barometric pressure does help. I like, Tyler Butterfield is telling me how, like, if you're gonna do any race on a road bike, at altitude is better because aerodynamics don't matter as much. I'm like, okay. Like, I had no idea.

Taylor Knibb:

Like, I didn't even know what a disc wheel was. Yeah. Like, that was one change I made between Boulder and the Collins Cup. But I, like Yeah. I rolled up.

Taylor Knibb:

I, like, I had no idea what I was doing. No idea what the page is afterwards. Right. Like, I didn't experience doms like that. I don't experience doms like that anymore, but it was

Jeanni Metzler:

I think that was the most exciting piece for me because I knew how many things maybe you didn't know about long course and, how much room you had for improvement. So, it was just really fun to be a part of that. So yeah.

Taylor Knibb:

Well, thank you. I loved it too. But I think that had been, like in 2019, I wanted to do Boulder 70.3, but my coach at the time was like, no. No. Again, like, I I I've been told no a lot in my career.

Taylor Knibb:

And so it was it was just I wanted to have fun after the Olympics. Because it was just like going into the Olympics, there was like a lot of focus and pressure and just it was like, I just really wanted to have fun and just, like, enjoy racing for racing sake. And whatever happened happened, and it was, like, shocking, but I loved it.

Jeanni Metzler:

Yeah. I also I really appreciated just how excited you were because I think I had done long course for many years, and, like, it's it's just fun to be around a young person that is just so excited about the sport. And it just it gave me the energy I needed at the time to just kind of, like, I don't know, rekindle my joy for the sport. So it's like, I I can just really appreciate that about a person that's just so excited and, yeah, stoked on triathlon. So yeah.

Taylor Knibb:

But you pulled me through so much training that year, and that was the other thing. It was like, we had a lot of similar training. And so it was also that's where it wasn't as daunting for me. Now, yes, you had your horrible bike workout some days when I did. I remember you had, like, 6 by 20 minutes one day and I had just, like, a easy aerobic ride.

Taylor Knibb:

But it was also, like, through those days weren't so far between actually, your run workout. Some of your run workouts are a monster. I know.

Jeanni Metzler:

That was

Taylor Knibb:

a lot of I forgot about a lot of those. But it was also, like, well, if Jeannie can do it, like, hopefully, I can be somewhat close to that. So that's the fun thing about having training partners because if you see that they have success, you don't necessarily always need to line up to the race course to be like, I should be there. Right.

Jeanni Metzler:

Yeah. No. It was a good time.

Justin Metzler:

I'm interested to hear more about your guys' training dynamic because I've had a lot of training partners in my over my career as well. And I think, like, those relationships are amazing, and you can get so much out of it, while you're in it. But there's also, like, somewhat of a a circumstance that has power beyond what that relationship is. Like, in order for that relationship to thrive, you guys needed to be in the same physical location. You needed to have the same coach.

Justin Metzler:

You needed to have be on the same structure. And, like, since that, you guys haven't trained together, like, nearly as much. So talk a little bit about, like, the time like, maybe what you each got out of that relationship, and, like, is that just the nature of training partners in general, or is there a way to take bits and pieces out of, like, the positives you both got out of that and then apply it in a circumstance that's totally different 2, 3, 4, 5 years down the road?

Jeanni Metzler:

That's a loaded question. Where do I begin?

Taylor Knibb:

I wish I knew the answer to that already. I mean

Justin Metzler:

Yes. Sorry.

Taylor Knibb:

Trading with

Justin Metzler:

Yeah. Okay. Sorry. I I made a complicated question, so it's a 2 parter. Let's start with let's start with part 1.

Justin Metzler:

What Jeannie, what did you like about training with Taylor?

Jeanni Metzler:

Well, I mean, it's pretty simple. Like, I felt like, I could always rely on Taylor. She would always be there. If we said 7 AM, she's gonna be there at 6:55, probably. And then I know that at 7 AM, we're gonna get going.

Jeanni Metzler:

We're gonna do the workout as it's planned, and, Taylor shows up with a good attitude. She she gives her best, and there's no drama. So, like, she made it easy for me, and that's kind of what you need in a training partner, honestly.

Taylor Knibb:

Yeah. And it's I would say the exact same thing, especially now maybe I think we probably work well together because the timeliness is important. Like, if we're gonna start at 7, I wanna start at 7. Like, not waiting. And there are some people who are always late, and it's like after a while or don't show up or we'll cancel on you last minute.

Taylor Knibb:

It's like, I don't think you ever canceled.

Jeanni Metzler:

Yeah. Likewise. And, I think if we are running late, we always let each other know. It's just, like, common courtesy. So, like, yeah.

Jeanni Metzler:

It it and especially in a squad environment, not everyone is like that. And I get that. Like, some people just run late or whatever. But just I think Taylor and I are somehow wired the same in that sense that we're just, like, being on time is super important to us.

Taylor Knibb:

Yeah. And speaking of time, I think we both check our watches, like, about the same amount of times. Like Yeah. It's like it's like certain things that, like, are just important to you. And, like, you also you care about, like, hitting the session well.

Taylor Knibb:

Some people I don't think care about that as well.

Jeanni Metzler:

Yeah. I I do think that Taylor is very meticulous, though, more so than I. So I think she complemented me very well because, at sometimes, I I like to let go and just kind of get flow and just, like, not think about things, where Taylor would would always be thinking about things. So I would, like, have that to make sure that, like, I'm actually hitting the right paces and stuff. So I didn't have to think because I knew Taylor was doing it.

Jeanni Metzler:

Yeah.

Justin Metzler:

Totally. Well, that's actually really beneficial for sure.

Jeanni Metzler:

Just so you know. That's

Taylor Knibb:

good to know. Right? Respect. But I also think, like, I think having the same coach really helped because we were on the same schedule. And I think what really I don't like, you might remember this differently, but I think what really brought us together was when our whole group went off to training camp in Florida, and we were kind of like the 2 people in Boulder.

Taylor Knibb:

Yeah. So it was like we were the only people. And then I felt like we formed a really good relationship and it wasn't that long. And then that just kinda carried over throughout the rest of the year. And it was just like, it brought me through that year, and I'm so grateful for that.

Taylor Knibb:

And I loved it all.

Jeanni Metzler:

Yeah. No. Absolutely. The the times at rally, I look very fondly upon, and, it was just like yeah. Just Aaron made a really good environment for us there.

Jeanni Metzler:

And, yeah, I just look back on that time with with a really good, yeah, perspective, I guess. Yeah.

Justin Metzler:

I think the second part of the question was that, like, inherently, times do change. You know? People have different objectives. People have different schedules. Like, you both have moved on from that coach.

Justin Metzler:

Like, is there a world in which that relationship can ever look the same or be the same, and you guys can get back? Could you do you want to get back to that, or could you get back to that? Or is it now just a circumstance of like, hey. Everyone's on their own new path, and that's okay?

Jeanni Metzler:

Yeah. I guess, things are different now, especially if you have a different coach. And, yeah, just not being in a squad environment, we're not gonna see each other every day. But I think, like, there's there's ways to make it, like, work for each other's schedules to kind of link up when when we can and stuff. So, yeah, it's just different now.

Jeanni Metzler:

That's all.

Taylor Knibb:

Yeah. I think having different coaches is tougher, but if you're and if you're on a 7 day plan and both people are on a 7 day plan and then nothing lines up, like, nothing ever lines up, I feel like the golden time is when it's like you're both on a 7 day plan and it's like you know the workout through the days where most of the time it'll line up. Right. And so that's also just, like, what you're doing at that time and Yeah. But there's always a massive respect for each or, like, the other person of everyone needs to do what they need to do.

Taylor Knibb:

And Yeah.

Jeanni Metzler:

Yeah. I think that's really what it comes down to. And I know, like, I have so much respect for Taylor, especially, like, now what she's trying to do. I mean, you have 2 world titles already, and, you're gonna follow your plan. So I have some room for flexibility, now not only just because where I am in my career but just, like, what I've been through with my mental health.

Jeanni Metzler:

I have to have room for flexibility in my program, so it's kind of easier for me. But I also respect that you need to follow your plan the way you need to do it, and and that's just, like, a mutual understanding, I think.

Justin Metzler:

Yeah. For sure.

Taylor Knibb:

Yeah. But sometimes following the plan is having fun and Sure. Spending time with friends. So Totally. There's space for everything for that,

Jeanni Metzler:

for sure.

Justin Metzler:

Yeah. 100%. 100%. Taylor, I wanna talk more you know, we've been talking about, obviously, your guys' training relationship. I wanna talk more about your training now.

Justin Metzler:

So I guess the first question that I have here is walk us through or I guess, like, first question is, what's your favorite training day of the week, like, Monday through

Taylor Knibb:

Sunday? That that's a really good question because so I'm doing something so I have a new coach this year, and he does I have 2 recovery days, Mondays Fridays, and I just have a swim and gym. And that is very purposeful. And at the beginning of the year, it made me so nervous. And then one Friday, I was just starting to love it.

Taylor Knibb:

And then one Friday, I had a bike ride. And I was not happy about that because my swim and gym is my recovery day. And then all of a sudden, something that, like, 3 months ago, I would have loved, I'm all of a sudden, like, pissed about. Like, I was like, what is this doing here? Like, I don't ride on Friday.

Taylor Knibb:

No. But, yeah. I don't know. Actually, I think my favorite day of the year are race days because I really do not I'm not allowed to go kind of to my max any other day. So, like, I appreciate them a lot more, but I really I understand that each day of the week has its purpose.

Taylor Knibb:

And so I really enjoy each day for what it is and how it all fits together.

Justin Metzler:

Yep. That's a good answer. The follow-up question to that was I want to walk through one training day, so a sample training day. So you don't have to pick your favorite, but pick a day of the week and walk us through that day, like, start to finish, including, like, what you're eating, what your training is looking like, what your recovery protocols are looking like. Just walk us through, like, a short version of that.

Taylor Knibb:

Oh, no. I'm gonna fail this. There's

Jeanni Metzler:

no failing.

Taylor Knibb:

Oh, well, so I think probably my Tuesdays Thursdays, I have the most consistent schedules. The other days can vary a little bit. It just those days actually depend mostly on the week. But so I'll pick a Thursday because that's easy. I don't really have an aerobic run-in the morning until I do that first thing.

Taylor Knibb:

Sometimes I do that with Jeannie. Oh, so I have the same breakfast every morning. I have oatmeal and yogurt, and so I'll have that first and coffee. I'll do my aerobic run, and then I'll have a snack. And then I'll go to Julie's swim from 9 to 10:30, and that's only a quality swim.

Taylor Knibb:

You guys have experienced a lot of Julie's swim. So

Jeanni Metzler:

Oh, just swims.

Taylor Knibb:

She doesn't mess around. No. And then I I I packed a snack, and I go straight to PT from 11 to 12. So if I go from swimming versus home, I can avoid Foothills Parkway. That is my whole strategy because it it backups up so much.

Taylor Knibb:

So, anyway, then I have PT, and then I come home. I have another meal, and then I have, like, an aerobic endurance ride most Thursday afternoons. And so that could be 2, 3, 3 and a half hours, and then I have dinner, and I go to bed. That's so I picked a long training day because then I don't have to describe much details.

Justin Metzler:

Yeah. No. Totally. I mean, that's a pretty honest day. I mean, if you're getting back from PT at 12, what time are you starting the long bike ride in the afternoon?

Taylor Knibb:

Oh, do I get back from PT at 12:30? So I'm starting the bike ride probably around 1:30 because I wanna eat in between. So

Justin Metzler:

Sure. Yeah. I mean, that's a pretty honest training day.

Jeanni Metzler:

And you're not a napper. No. Not yet. Don't worry. We're not nappers.

Jeanni Metzler:

It's like, I wish I wish I could, but, yeah. It's just

Taylor Knibb:

it doesn't happen. Well, and I try to sleep well at night.

Jeanni Metzler:

So So

Taylor Knibb:

it's also if you're getting 10 hours at night, I have the energy through the day sometimes. But that might change in a year or 2.

Jeanni Metzler:

Who knows? Who knows?

Justin Metzler:

Yeah. We're trying to become nappers. I don't know. We'll see.

Taylor Knibb:

Good luck. Yeah.

Justin Metzler:

So you've had access to a lot of really high level coaches throughout your young ish career. I'm curious to ask about maybe one common thread that you've seen amongst all of the coaches, if you can pick out one common thread amongst the few coaches that you've had.

Taylor Knibb:

That's a really good question. I could pick threads between, like, probably, like, chunks of them. But my current coach actually, yeah, is very different from the other ones in the best way, but that I didn't know. So I might have to come back to the on that one.

Justin Metzler:

That's fine. Yeah. I guess you've mentioned now that you are having it seems like you're having great success with the current coach, Dan Lorang. He's coached some of the best athletes that have ever walked the earth in triathlon, which is, it's not a surprise that you're connecting with him and and doing a good job. What do you feel like is the most important quality when it comes to connecting with a coach and doing well?

Taylor Knibb:

Well, I care, and he cares. And I think, like, he really wants to listen to me. And so, like, I try to communicate as best as I can, but he really listens. And so, like, the second a coach stops listening to you, I think that's, like, you're done. Like, because that's then but, like, he listens so well right now.

Taylor Knibb:

And so that's, like, that's when it works, I think.

Justin Metzler:

Yep. For sure. Excuse me. I wanna talk a little bit more, and I know Jeanne's gonna be excited to get into this section, because she was helping me prepare for the podcast last night, and she was like, oh, yeah. This section's gonna be sweet.

Justin Metzler:

I wanna talk more about your mindset because, obviously, you're an incredible athlete. You have amazing attention to detail. You work super hard. You train hard. You've got talent.

Justin Metzler:

Like but I think what sets you apart is your ability to tap into a different zone mentally, and I wanna hear a little bit more about that. So as you get close to a race, how high is your motivation to win the race and just, like, decimate the field versus maybe having more process oriented goals and focusing on, like, okay. I'm gonna try and just swim in this place, bike this power, run this pace, and whatever happens, happens.

Taylor Knibb:

I think a huge piece of, like, what motivates me is seeing how good I can be. And so, like, training might indicate certain things, but you just never know. And so, for example, like the time trial in Charleston, Dan gave me, like, a zone, like, a 20 watt range of, like, watts that I could hit. And I was like, that just seems really low. And he's like, well, like, you can always go higher if you want.

Taylor Knibb:

But, like, he's like, so, like, we went to RPE, and I was well above the range. Because I'm like, please don't underestimate me. But it's also like My guess. Learning. But, like, but that's the thing.

Taylor Knibb:

It's like tapping into what you think you're capable of and, like, answering the question, are you or aren't you? And, like because, like, training can indicate something, but you kinda have to you have to do it to do it. And so it's, like, that's why I love the racing. It's, like, to see and you know what? Sometimes I fall short.

Taylor Knibb:

Sometimes I exceed expectations of both me and my coach, or coaches. But, like, that's that's the fun part of racing is kind of seeing where you are. And so then with that being said, like, the toughest part for me is going into a race where, like, either I know where I am, I'm not happy where I am, and, like, I don't feel like I'm as good as I wanna be or should be. And then it's kind of like, those are the tougher races because it's like, you still you still wanna get the best out of yourself on that day. That's an important process, an important skill.

Taylor Knibb:

But when the numbers aren't as exciting, it's not as exciting. Sorry. Like, I don't wanna it just No. I Like, it's tougher. Any

Jeanni Metzler:

athlete would agree with that for sure. So

Justin Metzler:

Do you feel like there's an element of just what you say to yourself, like, self perpetuates a little bit. So if you're going into the race saying, oh, well, my numbers are maybe a little bit lower. I don't know what my performance is gonna be at this one, so therefore, the performance is average in your mind. But if you go in saying, oh, wow. Like, my coach is giving me these low numbers.

Justin Metzler:

I know I'm gonna demolish that. You go in there and demolish it just to prove a point because you've told yourself that's the truth.

Taylor Knibb:

Yeah. I like, I the demolishing, I still don't I don't think I I I really I think I race more from a place of joy. And, like, I was reading something. I was reading a book, and it would talk about how, like, all powerful emotions are powerful, like, hence why they're powerful emotions. So, like, it's, like, that's a bit redundant.

Taylor Knibb:

But it's, like, it's how you tap into them. And so, like, extremely negative emotions like anger, or even sadness, those have power. And so but I I don't tap into those as well as, like, joy and excitement for the sport. Like, that's kind of more where I tap into it. So, again, the demolishing, not sure about that.

Taylor Knibb:

But, also, it's not I could feel like it's not proving a point. It's just kinda like expressing yourself and seeing what's hap possible, and you just never know. And I've also had so I've had times where I thought I was training amazingly, and then the races didn't go well and then vice versa. And so there's, like, there's no direct comparison, and that's where you kinda have to have a little bit of hope always. Yeah.

Taylor Knibb:

That's dangerous though because it can lead to disappointment. But

Justin Metzler:

That's true. It's true. Do you feel like you have a lot of natural confidence? Like, when you're heading into a time trial a US time trial national championship, which you've referenced, which is where you qualified for the Olympic time trial, do you go into that with a with hope, or is it is it confidence and self belief?

Taylor Knibb:

I it's it's more exploration. So I actually messaged Dan the night before the race and because I was I was so nervous about the start ramp. I was nervous about how it would go. It was I had just been to Oklahoma. I had some other, like, personal things going on, so I just didn't know how I was gonna race.

Taylor Knibb:

And, like, and also where you're gonna stack up because I've never raced these women. I don't know how I stack up against them. And I have full respect for them. And I'm like, Dan, I just, like, I really don't wanna embarrass you. Like, this is his world of cycling.

Taylor Knibb:

Like, I don't want to embarrass him in any way, shape, or form. And he's like, oh, don't worry. This should be, like, the lowest pressure race of your year because, like, you're a cyclist. Like, he even said he's like, imagine these women on the start line of a WTCS race and how they might be feeling. He's like, there is no reason for you to put any pressure on yourself.

Taylor Knibb:

Like and so I think it's also, like maybe, like, the best thing is being honest with those around you about how you're feeling regardless of how that is before race, and then they can help you or not. But, like, just putting it out there, like, this is how I'm feeling. This is what I'm worried about. This is what I'm excited about. And just, like, like, sorry.

Taylor Knibb:

I I just am who I am in a way, and that's, like, liberating because it's, like, you're gonna get everything whether you want it or not.

Jeanni Metzler:

No. That's true. It.

Justin Metzler:

For sure.

Taylor Knibb:

It's good.

Justin Metzler:

Are you going through that process with your team every single race, or is it like, oh, okay. Well, I mean, it seemed like the the time trial national championship means something to you. Obviously, you were going through all of those steps and those emotions, but is is it like, okay. Yokohama, I'm having the same sort of conversations and emotions. Kaguya, same emotions and conversations.

Justin Metzler:

Olympics, same emotions conversations.

Taylor Knibb:

They're different emotions every time, and I think it's, like, it's very much Dan's been really good at refocusing me and making sure I understand, like, what the purpose is, but also not telling me some things that I didn't need to know. Like, he only told me after the triathlon in Paris that crashes can sometimes take a lot out of you. I'm like, well, thank you for letting me know that. Like, I was so optimistic after I crashed so many times in the time trial. And then he's like, yeah.

Taylor Knibb:

Like, you just have to understand. He's like, I've seen it so many times with riders. Like, after a crash, like, sometimes the power just dips. And he's like, I hope it was enough time, but it wasn't. And so, like, I I like, he he knew I shouldn't know that until after.

Taylor Knibb:

Yeah. And so that's also, like, knowing what to say, when to say it. And also, like, I yeah. I I wasn't gonna tell Dan that I was gonna, like, blast out his power numbers before. I was just like, okay.

Taylor Knibb:

Like, am I allowed to go higher if I feel good? And, like, yes. So it's like being honest with each other and, like, understanding the goal and the purpose and how you wanna execute. And then and then also just kinda seeing how the race goes. Like, that's that's part of it.

Taylor Knibb:

Like, there's some things you can't control.

Justin Metzler:

Yep. 100%. I think also, like, I wanna touch more on your maybe relationship with Dan. But it sounds like because you guys have a relatively new relationship, like all relationships in life, you're experiencing things for the first time, so those things are gonna be maybe new or you're gonna glean something totally different from that conversation than you've had with a previous coach. Whereas, when you continue to have the same circumstances over time, you both will be better suited.

Taylor Knibb:

Yes. Or also know what to communicate. Because so in Abu Dhabi, the race didn't happen, but I got to go through my 1st race week with him. And we talked before the race, and he asked how I was feeling. And I went on this long rant about how I don't care how I'm feeling race week because, like, it really doesn't matter.

Taylor Knibb:

It doesn't change anything, all this stuff. And I don't like I try not to think about how I'm feeling. And and then at the end, he's like, well, I asked why you're feeling how you're feeling because based on how you're feeling, I can make adjustments to your race week, like, workouts to, like, to help. And I was like, oh, I've never had that before. Like, that's new.

Taylor Knibb:

So that's also why, like, why now I'm a little bit more open with how I'm feeling and what I'm thinking because, like, in Yokohama, I was just exhausted. And so, like, my normal race week, he cut out a lot of the intervals in them because he's, like, at this point, the intervals that should be simulating your system will just make you more tired. So we're gonna we're gonna scrap those this week.

Jeanni Metzler:

Yeah. That's really smart.

Taylor Knibb:

So it's like so even that's a new thing for me? Because before, it was just like, this is your race week. Here's your pre race. Like, deal with it. And Yeah.

Taylor Knibb:

Now it's like, oh, it can change. So that's also learning, like, how it rolls with different coaches.

Justin Metzler:

Yeah. And I I think it's important for you to, like yeah. You're you have to accept that process as well, and, obviously, the it just comes down to trust. You obviously trust him tremendously, and he's helping you helping you a lot. You know, you mentioned Dan.

Justin Metzler:

I know your team extends beyond Dan. There's multiple people now. Do you feel like the buck stops with you ultimately, or do you feel like the wins are team wins and the losses are team losses? And if there is an error, it's not just you who made the mistake. It was a mismanagement from the entirety of the team.

Taylor Knibb:

I think that's a bit too simplistic because some errors are just me, unfortunately. Some are more than that. And then so it's like, I don't think it's that, like, black or white because, there are sometimes where it's literally all just me. So, and then there are also some things that we just haven't had time to prepare for, time to do, and some things that are priorities yet. So, like, yes.

Taylor Knibb:

But I I rely heavily on my extended team, and everyone feels very comfortable to speak out and share concern. Like, I'm I'm talking with nutritionists. And one that I talked to, like, Patrick was like, yeah. No. That's that I don't think that's, like that doesn't make you comfortable.

Taylor Knibb:

So and, like, he had his reasons, and it was great. And I'm like like, thank you. Like, now I see that because you pointed that out. And so it's very much we're aligned as best we can be and all in, like, supportive of our one goal. But maybe not one goal, many goals, but the Yeah.

Taylor Knibb:

Overall arching game.

Justin Metzler:

Totally. Are you finding it harder, like, over time as you continue to have more success and more people wanna buy in to, like, your brand or your success and wanna hop along for the ride? And, here, that happens in all professional sports. The better you are, the more people want a little piece of the pie. Are you having more trouble are you having any trouble sifting through who are good people to trust, or do you have close people to you who are kind of sifting that for you?

Taylor Knibb:

Patrick is phenomenal, and he is fantastic at saying no. Like, I am so grateful for him. So he, like, I bounce a lot off of him. And he also makes sure to include Dan where appropriate or other people who I work with when appropriate. So it's yes.

Taylor Knibb:

The the default answer is no right now. So that's where

Justin Metzler:

Shout out, Patrick, for not shutting down the pod today.

Taylor Knibb:

Oh, I didn't ask him. This is

Justin Metzler:

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Taylor Knibb:

Thanks so much. That's why we're doing it.

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Taylor Knibb:

That's a good question. I don't know how good I am. Although, I did spend, like because I got sick after I came back. I spent just a week in bed and it was, like, heaven. Like, I didn't really leave.

Taylor Knibb:

So, like, don't leave your house. That's, like, heaven. Or or go up into the mountains.

Jeanni Metzler:

You read quite a bit though.

Taylor Knibb:

Yes. I do. And that really helps. Mhmm. Because then you just you're in a whole other world.

Taylor Knibb:

And I read both fiction and nonfiction. But then, like, I also I think in Boulder, it's just nice to go out on, like, like, really deep into the trails because I don't think a lot of triathletes go there.

Jeanni Metzler:

Yeah. I think Justin and I are gonna do that tomorrow.

Justin Metzler:

Yeah. We're off the road.

Jeanni Metzler:

Say where. Yeah. We're not saying where. We're just going off the map, but we need that.

Justin Metzler:

Need that right now. Yeah. A 100%. We're just gonna go unplug a little bit.

Taylor Knibb:

Or timing. That's the other thing. Yeah. Like, you could Timing is everything. Where you just miss, like, you thankfully, triathletes are, like, such people of habit that, like, if you don't wanna see anyone, just swim at, like, a different time.

Taylor Knibb:

You can go to the same pool and you're good. Like, sorry. If you don't wanna see anyone not at 8 AM. That's not Carpenter. No.

Justin Metzler:

A 100%. Jeannie, do you have any more questions in this vein or in this, like, mindset, talk area?

Jeanni Metzler:

Yeah. Just one one more question because I I struggle with anxiety. And, definitely before races, I put a lot on myself. I wanted to know your, like, ways of managing pressure before racing. And definitely now that you've had a lot of success in the sport, like, is there a lot of pressure to win?

Jeanni Metzler:

And and how do you manage that leading into races?

Taylor Knibb:

That's a good question because I probably don't do it perfectly. I think the people around me get a lot of the brunt because I can get very mean and very short and very, like, upset about, like, the tiniest things. Yeah. My parents said I had it was there's some race last year where they said I was the nicest I'd ever been before race. I don't remember what race it was.

Taylor Knibb:

But it's like

Jeanni Metzler:

Justin gets all of that from me. So

Taylor Knibb:

And understanding that it's, like, it's part of it, but so I guess having people who understand that that's, like, okay

Justin Metzler:

Yeah.

Taylor Knibb:

To deal with. And that's, like, it's really not personal, but it's part of the process of you getting ready. That sounds like you're trying to just, like, excuse all behavior. Like, yes, you wanna still be nice and a good human, but Mhmm. Some things, like, you're gonna be nervous.

Taylor Knibb:

You're probably gonna be as you become more focused on one thing, like, a lot of things are gonna either escape your purview or they're gonna just be annoyances. So it's like

Jeanni Metzler:

No. But I do feel like just having that communication just with your coach on just, like, how you are feeling and what you are concerned about and just, like, managing that before racing. I can see how that is helping you right now. And, obviously, you have a a great team around you. I think that's super helpful.

Jeanni Metzler:

So

Taylor Knibb:

Yeah. But also going through, like, what are the goals of this race? Like, why are you lining up on the start line? Like like, in Oceanside for me, it was very much the primary goal is to validate. So you need to cross that finish line.

Taylor Knibb:

And then when you, like, frame it that way, it's like, okay.

Jeanni Metzler:

Everything else is like went on to crush that one.

Taylor Knibb:

But that can be more liberating to us. I'm sure. I know.

Jeanni Metzler:

I love it.

Taylor Knibb:

You know what? Like, really, like, I really just need to I need to cross that finish line.

Jeanni Metzler:

Yeah.

Taylor Knibb:

And that's what you need to do. And everything else on that is dessert. Like Yeah. And when like, in realizing sometimes, like, creating those situations where the worst position is is, like, okay. Either you, like, literally, like, win and that's matching expectations or everything else is a loss.

Taylor Knibb:

Mhmm. Like, there's no way to exceed expectations. And that's the most fun part of the sport. So, like, where can you exceed expectations? Where is, like, okay, this is good enough, and where would be really the loss?

Taylor Knibb:

And at that point in the season for that race, it was like, yeah. Like, that's, like, you need to cross the finish line that's hitting the expectations. And we also wanted to see where my fitness was because I hadn't raced Abu Dhabi. But, like, what are the goals for this race? What are you trying to get out from it?

Taylor Knibb:

And it's like, k. Great. Because I'm not working with the team I'm working with to end at the end of this year. Like, I'm hoping there's a long time in the sport and realizing that it's gonna take a while, like, hopefully, to get where you wanna go because things just don't happen overnight, unfortunately.

Jeanni Metzler:

Yeah. Great answer.

Justin Metzler:

Very good answer. I have one more question here before we wrap up the section. Like, what how long do you feel like you can keep up this pace? Do you have a long term game plan? You know, obviously, you're still very young.

Justin Metzler:

Do you wanna do this into your forties? Is this something like you've got a 5 year plan, or are you not even thinking about that?

Taylor Knibb:

I'm not really thinking about that because LA sounds so far away in 2028. But I had the privilege of meeting Kristen Armstrong in Paris, and she won 3 gold medals in the time trial when she was 34, 38, and 42. Her her and so she's like That's impressive. But but then to think, like, wait a second, like, 2040? That that seems like a while, like, 16 years from now.

Jeanni Metzler:

But Yeah.

Taylor Knibb:

But she's like, Taylor, it wasn't physical. It was like, you have to, like, mentally, like, wanna make yourself hurt and, like, be okay with that. And she also took breaks. So that's the other thing, like, not being afraid to take breaks, I think. And then whether you come back to the sport or not, great, but not, like, don't shut doors too early.

Taylor Knibb:

So I don't know. You never know. I could be done with the sport next week, but it could also be, like, 16 years. So who does?

Justin Metzler:

I really hope you're not done with the sport next week. That would be a tragedy for me as a fan of triathlon. So please do not do that.

Taylor Knibb:

You never know. But that that's the other thing. Like, something outside of my control could happen. So you have to be grateful while you're doing it and just hope you can do it as long as you wanna do it.

Justin Metzler:

Yep. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, you mentioned big plans for the future, multiple goals for the future. I think some of that probably just coming off the Olympics now is is you're just, like you said, taking a step back and sifting through sort of what what the next phase is gonna be.

Justin Metzler:

But, you know, you've said Kona. That's a big thing on your mind. How much of that is gonna be the focus for 2025?

Taylor Knibb:

Well, I think it's gonna be a focus. I'll also need to do an Ironman to validate. So that'll also be a focus because I've only done one Ironman, so that's could take a while for me to recover from. Yep. And so, yeah, I don't know because there's also other things I wanna do.

Taylor Knibb:

I think no one knows what the like, Ironman hasn't posted their race schedule even though we're already in the qualification window for 70.3 worlds. I think we're 6 or 7 weeks in now. We don't know the qualification requirements as pros, for next year's worlds. Like, we're over 10% in, and we don't have the criteria yet, I don't think.

Justin Metzler:

Sure.

Taylor Knibb:

And then who knows about the t one hundred? I don't know about short course. So sorry. There's there's a lot. And then I also I fell in love with the time trial.

Taylor Knibb:

But

Jeanni Metzler:

Yeah. That was our next question. Yeah.

Justin Metzler:

Yeah. Jeanie, what's your question about the time trial?

Jeanni Metzler:

Well, I mean, yeah, I I would I would think that you would love it just the way you are wired. So we kind of just wanted to know, like, would that just be something you aiming for in the future? Is that a part of your your plans in the near future, or is it the Olympics that you're trying to go back for? Because, like, I I just I know that's not what you were capable of, and I'd just love to see you to give it another crap.

Justin Metzler:

I guess Where does where does the time trial land on, like, the priority list or the mental energy checklist?

Taylor Knibb:

So I made a priority list the day after the individual triathlon when I had retired from short course. Well, no. I never used retired as the term. I don't think maybe it was just taking a break, because I always wanna leave doors open. Like, you never know.

Taylor Knibb:

You could say, like, I'm done with that. I'm never doing that again. And you could say that for 4 years straight, and then you could come back to the store. Like, you just never know. But, yeah, the time trial, it bit me.

Taylor Knibb:

And and also, I think just so I got to spend time with Kristen Armstrong. She was one of the coaches. And Chloe, and they work together and just seeing how they work. And USA Cycling as a whole was so professional. Like, so I got to Paris, and I'm used to my races.

Taylor Knibb:

And you guys are triathletes. You understand how, like, you you travel with your bike and build your bike. And so so I get a message when I land or, like, after I had landed, and I had already built my bikes. And it was, Taylor, when do you want your bikes built? And I'm like, I already built 2 of them.

Taylor Knibb:

2 of them were already delayed, so I only had to build 2. And the guy responds, he's like, you brought tools with you? Like like, so in this You know how to build your bike? Well, no. No.

Taylor Knibb:

No. It's more, I think, in the cycling world, like, there is it's so professional. Mhmm. Like, before our rides, they're like, okay, what time are you gonna ride? What do you want in bottles?

Taylor Knibb:

And, like, your bike was delivered, perfect tire pressure, perfect bottles, perfect everything Yeah. All ready to go. And, like, it's very much, like, you don't touch anything. Like, you show up, you ride your bike, you move on. Like, it's

Jeanni Metzler:

Yeah. Triathlon's not like that at all. But so true. Spot.

Taylor Knibb:

But, like, learning that level of professionalism because, like, everyone has their job. Everyone fills it to the best of their ability. Like, USA Cycling, they even had after, like, our training sessions. It was, like, okay. We're gonna have dinners ready and or meals prepared and, like, just everything dialed down so you don't have to worry about anything other than riding your bike as well as you can.

Taylor Knibb:

And so that's like just like getting a peek in that world, it's like and and all the cyclists there, they're used to that. That's the world of professional cycling. It's a very professional sport. And so it's like, okay. Like, how can you learn from that world and take it into triathlon?

Taylor Knibb:

Yeah.

Justin Metzler:

Will you let like, if you go more into that world or try to adopt some of those things and bring them over to the into the triathlon world, is that something you're gonna feel comfortable doing? Because I feel like in triathlon, we're all a little bit controlling over, like, our tire pressure, calibrating our power meter, building our bikes. Or are you happy enough to just say, yep. Build my bike, pump up my tires, calibrate the power meter, give me the bike, and go?

Taylor Knibb:

Well, I think so this sounds spoiled. I think I'm already a bit, comfortable with that. It so going back to the trust, like, that's a very big thing in any relationship. Trust is so important. And so, like, with in Oceanside, I have no idea what tire pressure I rode.

Taylor Knibb:

Like, same with same with Charleston, same with San Francisco, because Mark Andrews from Trek is there and he takes care of that. And so it's like and he and so, like, being in that space where if you have someone who you trust is so good and that they know it and probably better than you, and it just, like, they know what the conditions are, they know what you need to ride, and you're good, then it's, like, you can just, like, free that up. And so I think the control probably comes from a lack of trust and a lack of and that you'll do it better yourself. But if you find someone who can do it way better than you, it's like you have to be able to say, you're better at this than me. And I think actually, Mark told me in Knoxville, he's like, Taylor, let the experts do what the experts do.

Taylor Knibb:

Like

Justin Metzler:

That's good advice.

Jeanni Metzler:

So it sounds like you are gonna, like, continue to pursue the time trial, and I yeah. That's pretty exciting.

Justin Metzler:

Yeah. I wanna hear more a little bit about, like, the cycling team situation. And, like, what's your obligation to the Trek team and, like, what's that whole because that's you've talked about t 100, short course, Super League, time trial, Ironman series, like and now you've got a professional cycling team involved too. Like, what is that?

Taylor Knibb:

So I didn't sign their contract again

Justin Metzler:

Okay.

Taylor Knibb:

With Leadle Truck. I signed it last year, and they wanted me to race. And I think I hope after the time trial in Paris, they realized that it would not have been appropriate for me to go into a world tour race. I need to learn, and I need to develop skills of learning how to ride, let alone ride with other riders. So, like, I think that's hopefully safe, but because it's just, like, I wanna be respectful of where they are.

Taylor Knibb:

And in that world, like, when you're 20th on the totem pole of a team of 20, you're gonna be called in to a lot of things that are not best for your schedule and ask the fly around the world. And so that's something, like, I said, like, like, I really appreciate the consideration, but I don't think that's best for me at this point in my career. Yep. But signing the contract the 1st year allowed me to race nationals and then nationals again. So it was Sure.

Taylor Knibb:

It was incredibly helpful. And so hopefully now, I don't know what I have to do, but to get back into nationals.

Justin Metzler:

Sure. Do you feel like there's a universe in which you take a break from triathlon and just focus on cycling for a year or 2?

Taylor Knibb:

Oh, well, yeah. I mean, if I had a debilitating run injury, like, if I could never run again or never swim again or something like that, like, probably. Who knows? Like, I don't know. Did you watch the Tour de Femmes?

Taylor Knibb:

Like, it seems cool, but then you see everyone crash. And it's like crashing. Oh, it's right. Like, that that's not selling the sport as much. But then it, like, it looks cool, but then it looks awful.

Taylor Knibb:

And so there's, like, kind of a mix.

Justin Metzler:

Yeah. I mean, it's that's probably what makes it fun and exciting and attractive. But I think in triathlon now, there's a there's a lot that can be done. So if you get bored in one area, it's like, oh, just flip to that flip to that flip to that. So it's a good time.

Justin Metzler:

I'm curious to hear your perspective on right now. I think you're the only maybe you and Paula Findlay are the 2 triathletes that have done triathlon and maybe a bit of cycling time trial. Do you see anyone else out there that's maybe, like, an untapped potential on the men's side or the women's side who could balance it, or do you feel like you and her are are maybe the only 2?

Taylor Knibb:

Well, Lisa Norden won the Swedish top car nationals this year, and she's raced at the world championships. Like, I don't know. I think it it probably depends more on the cycling federation. Because I think Patrick said that they had looked into, like, the Danish federation for Magnus, and it's just, like, there's nothing as easy as go race this time, try to qualify for the Olympics kinda thing as USA Cycling had, which who knows they they might never have that again after what happened. But they also it's a I think it's pretty cool.

Taylor Knibb:

Like, I think it depends on the person and what they want. And, like, it's I ride a different position for the time trial than triathlon, and it's a 40 minute effort. And there's so many things that I think you need to be like, I feel like Magnus would be really good at it because, like, everything like, every little decision people make on, like, oh, like, skin suits and

Jeanni Metzler:

He's so meticulous with us.

Taylor Knibb:

Like Well, that's what we all think. Who knows that's really the truth. Oh, I

Jeanni Metzler:

mean, or maybe somebody else is taking care

Taylor Knibb:

of him.

Jeanni Metzler:

We're all

Justin Metzler:

just afraid

Taylor Knibb:

of him. Yeah.

Justin Metzler:

Because he's got this dialed situation there.

Taylor Knibb:

Like, I'd selfishly love to see Sam Long walk up to Time Trial Nationals and just kind of off. See how like, just see how he is. And it's a cool place in Charleston. So, like but also just to see, like, you just never know. So and it depends on what the athlete wants and if this excites them.

Taylor Knibb:

I mean, I was smiling during the time trial in Charleston, and, apparently, people don't do that during time trial. That's amazing. But it's like

Jeanni Metzler:

it was close to you as smiling.

Taylor Knibb:

Totally. Totally.

Justin Metzler:

How does we've mentioned we talked about a lot of things on the podcast. Where does t 100 play into your motivation, and what's the play there? Are you getting excited about, like, t 100 world title on the line, or is that, not as motivating as maybe other things?

Taylor Knibb:

Well, I'm really excited for it this fall. It's gonna be my focus. I think San Francisco is very fun, and it was like, I it's a it's just a fun distance because I don't think it wrecks you as much as the 70.3. And, like, I just there there's just a lot of, I'm very grateful to the 2 100 for giving the people who are going to the Olympics a bit of a different requirement. Like, it's the Olympics for me tailed 4 races with a huge amount of travel.

Taylor Knibb:

Like, it's not like I wasn't doing anything. And so, like, Ironman, there was no easier way for me to validate or qualify. It's just, like, everyone has the same rules. And so it's like, okay. Like, understand.

Taylor Knibb:

You're a private organization. That's what you're gonna do. But so I really appreciate that the t 100 had a lower requirement for those of us going to the Olympics. And I think it's just a fun format. I think there are a lot of questions on how long it'll last and just even where the grand final is.

Jeanni Metzler:

Yeah. But do you deem, like, a t 100, world title the same as a 70.3 world title? Would you consider

Justin Metzler:

iron man world title.

Taylor Knibb:

Or a

Jeanni Metzler:

iron man world? Would you consider that in the same vein, or do you think it's just different and that's okay?

Taylor Knibb:

I think they're all different. And I think even, like, you can look at your sponsor bonuses and what everyone cares about, and different brands will care about different, like, world titles differently. And so but but it's you have to ask yourself at the end of the day what you care about. And so that's Yeah. That's the most important thing.

Justin Metzler:

You've mentioned that the main motivation for you is just getting the most out of yourself. And if you feel like you did that on the day, then you'll be satisfied. What event or distance, if you're choosing between world championships, do you feel like you can extract the most out of yourself in?

Taylor Knibb:

How much time do I have to prepare?

Justin Metzler:

A year.

Taylor Knibb:

Oh oh, that's a good well, and what's a course? Like, what are those?

Justin Metzler:

Like You don't get to choose. It's just gonna be a mix

Jeanni Metzler:

the distance, not the

Justin Metzler:

You don't get to choose. It's gonna be like the t 100 final right now. You're not gonna know until you know.

Taylor Knibb:

But what if it that we don't know if it'll even exist. So

Justin Metzler:

It will exist. This event exists.

Taylor Knibb:

You're promising that. Yeah. Okay. Oh, and each rule the same for every single event? Like like, so 20 meter draft rule for t 100, 12 meter for Ironman, 70 point threes.

Taylor Knibb:

Like

Justin Metzler:

Sure. And you can lump in, like, you know, the Olympics and and, world a WTCS world title. You can throw in a Super League world title if

Jeanni Metzler:

you want that. Trial too.

Justin Metzler:

Throw in the time trial. You have to chase Olympic road race.

Taylor Knibb:

Oh, wow.

Justin Metzler:

Throw in the Tour de Femmes.

Taylor Knibb:

Well, I oh, well, so if it's anything, like

Justin Metzler:

What's gonna get the most out of you?

Taylor Knibb:

Well, okay. She's got shoes. No. No. No.

Taylor Knibb:

But, like so I think, like, the one I would be furthest away from would be UCI road race. Like, if I was capable of that, that would be huge because that would mean that in a year's time, I have improved my bike handling skills and fear of my bike tremendously. So that's probably, like, a huge improvement for me as an individual. That's very interesting. Yeah.

Taylor Knibb:

I think, like, a short course world title would mean that I've really improved also in a lot of areas that I've been working on. So it's also like, where do I think the biggest gaps are? Because so for example, like, the weekend of October 20th, it's like, do I wanna go race to 100 Vegas, or do I wanna go to somewhere in Spain where I can't even pronounce the name, and there are 17 turns per lap, meaning a 136 turns in a 40 k bike course. Like, I'm not prepared for that right now.

Justin Metzler:

Sure.

Taylor Knibb:

Like, I'm not ready for that. So yeah. So sorry. I haven't answered your question, but I'd take any. Like, you can't complain about a world title.

Taylor Knibb:

Right?

Justin Metzler:

No. No. You can't complain.

Taylor Knibb:

I'm not getting greedy. Yeah.

Jeanni Metzler:

That's good.

Justin Metzler:

Do you have a number of world titles that, like, you are striving to achieve? No. Not at all. As many as you

Taylor Knibb:

can. Well, no. I think it's you just wanna keep racing and racing well, but also but I also wanna walk away from the sport healthy.

Justin Metzler:

Sure. So

Taylor Knibb:

that's the other thing in terms of, like, some, like, sacrifice or investments I'm willing to make into the sport. But, like, whenever I retire, I wanna be able to still run and bike and swim and love it and have hopefully decades decades of health that, like, I'm just not willing to sacrifice.

Justin Metzler:

Yeah. That's smart. I think I was only asking in the sense of, like, you look at a Michael Jordan. I think at the end of his career, he was, like, looking for number of championships.

Jeanni Metzler:

Yeah. I don't think Taylor's looking at that. It's more so

Taylor Knibb:

And I'm not in the I'm not in the running. Myself. Yeah.

Justin Metzler:

You tack up another 3 or 4. I mean, it's not that it's not it's not, out of the question by any means, I think.

Taylor Knibb:

That easy. Just just another

Justin Metzler:

Yeah. I'm talking about, I guess. From the outside looking in, yeah, you just tack on another world title. Just just throw it on there. Yeah.

Justin Metzler:

Okay. Do you have any, Jeanne, do you have any more questions when it comes to, this section? We did pretty good. Okay. Cool.

Justin Metzler:

Let's see. I wanna talk a little bit about, before we wrap up and get you out of here, like, inspiring the next generation of kids who wanna get into triathlon because I feel like, as a pro myself, I feel like it is a little bit of my responsibility, whether it's through this podcast or through a YouTube channel or whatever, to, like even if 1 14 year old kid's like, hey. I wanna be like that guy. That's a responsibility that I feel like I take on. What's one piece of advice that you'd give to 13, 14 year old who wants to be a pro?

Taylor Knibb:

Also, the question is, is the 13 or 14 year old approaching me? Or I've had a number of parents, like, how do I motivate my kid? I'm like Not

Justin Metzler:

the parent. The kid's already got it.

Taylor Knibb:

No. You're gonna talk to

Justin Metzler:

them. You as a 13 year old and you've got Marinda Carfra in the room and, like, you know, she's giving you advice or whatever. What would you say to that kid?

Taylor Knibb:

Well, I don't know if I would have thought I can be a pro at age 13 or 14 and let alone my parents. Like, if you talk to my dad, like, oh, yeah. Taylor's gonna be a pro to athlete. Like, oh my god. He would not have been happy about that at all.

Taylor Knibb:

So I think, like, if someone don't know if having the goal to be a pro is necessarily you can have any goal that you want. I would say, like, you just wanna get the best out of yourself Mhmm. And be the best you can be and see where that takes you. And and also, like, make decisions along the way with how it's going. Because you know what?

Taylor Knibb:

Like, they could get to 18 and be like, you know what? I or go to college and figure out that they, like, really love this career path or really love, like, this other thing in life. And so following your passions and because there there have been times that where I've wanted to quit and I wanted to be done with the sport. Like, I talked with Neil Henderson in 2019, and it was I remember it was between before Abu Dhabi, the, like, WTCS race. And I was like, yeah.

Taylor Knibb:

I think I'm done with triathlon. And he's like, well, he's like, you can still go to the Olympics in another sport. Like, I only remember this this year. And I'm like, well, I really really don't care about the Olympics. Like, I just, like, I wanna, like, I wanna enjoy it again.

Taylor Knibb:

I wanna get fit again. And I was just, like, I was just, like, so frustrated. And so, like like, just, I guess, having good people in your corner along the way who will help you and, like, keep moving forward because you just don't know how that forward looks.

Justin Metzler:

It's a good answer. Yeah. Alright. Jeannie, any big questions that we looked over before we get into the rapid fire?

Jeanni Metzler:

No. I don't think so. We we're kinda crushing it.

Justin Metzler:

Alright. If you feel that way, then we are definitely crushing it.

Taylor Knibb:

Oh, no. I feel like I fail every podcast. No. We got some good answers out of

Jeanni Metzler:

Kayla. Seriously.

Justin Metzler:

Alright. I finished all the podcast with some rapid fire questions. Sometimes it's just, like, 4 or 5, but for you, I have a few because I don't know. Jeannie, what's up? 8.

Justin Metzler:

She's looking at my seat here.

Jeanni Metzler:

We don't have to do 8. No. No. No. They'll be

Justin Metzler:

they'll be quick. They're like Yeah. Yeah. They're quick answers. Alright.

Justin Metzler:

All time favorite race?

Taylor Knibb:

Well, that's not so quick.

Justin Metzler:

That might be thinkers. I don't know.

Taylor Knibb:

Well, because I I like a lot of races for a lot of different reasons. And a lot of races are special to me for different reasons. Oh, okay.

Jeanni Metzler:

You can go back to that one.

Taylor Knibb:

Well, so okay. They they I think Saint George 2022 is very special for me. I'll take that one for now. Yep. There are a lot.

Justin Metzler:

Yeah. That was your first world championship. Yeah. Yes. That would make sense.

Justin Metzler:

What was the worst thing you ever forgot when you got to a race?

Taylor Knibb:

Oh, no.

Justin Metzler:

Taylor doesn't forget anything.

Taylor Knibb:

Well, I think there's a difference between, like, landing at the place at the race, whereas, like like, showing up to

Justin Metzler:

the store. Your choice. Your choice. Your choice. I was thinking when I wrote the question, like, oh, man.

Justin Metzler:

I forgot that at home.

Jeanni Metzler:

Yeah. Like, you flew you flew Like,

Justin Metzler:

I forgot my pedals or something. Yeah. You've

Taylor Knibb:

Oh, I probably well, I I also have a lot of safety nets of people who are coming either after me or with me. I think may well, I would say probably the worst was in the Collins Cup when I dropped, like, half my gels out of my wet suit. So I had, like, 3 gels on the whole bike, which was, like, 60 grams of carbohydrates. So maybe that does that count? Like, I literally, like counts.

Taylor Knibb:

I I I reached back for a gel during time for a gel, and I realized that they were all gone. And so I'm like, I have 3 gels for this 2 hour race, and I'm probably the worst person in this field to go, like, low energy on.

Justin Metzler:

Totally.

Taylor Knibb:

So, yeah, that was that's probably not what you were to ask for.

Justin Metzler:

No. That's fine. That's a good answer. What is your favorite piece of sponsored equipment?

Taylor Knibb:

Oh, my bikes. That's that's well, but I like I like it all. I appreciate any equipment, but I love my bikes.

Justin Metzler:

Yep. That's a good answer. Favorite non sponsored piece of equipment that you spent your own money on?

Jeanni Metzler:

For us, it's our coffee machine.

Taylor Knibb:

Really? Yeah. Probably. Yeah.

Justin Metzler:

It is actually.

Taylor Knibb:

Oh, Millie. Really? Yeah. Probably. Yeah.

Jeanni Metzler:

It is actually. Or Millie. Yeah. Millie. Yeah.

Jeanni Metzler:

She was only a $150 from the humane society.

Taylor Knibb:

Was I don't have a dog yet. Also, so I only so the Garmin, my favorite Garmin, I bought still. So I haven't switched well, now I had to switch over because Taylor Spivey currently has my Garmin that I love. But so that's actually I purchased that Garmin, and I am working with them this year, but I did buy that. And I love my Garmin.

Taylor Knibb:

Like, love my Garmin. Sorry. Yeah. It's like they're it's like I I am actually, like that's why I haven't been training. Not the not the sickness.

Taylor Knibb:

Like, no motivation because I don't have my Garmin. But There

Justin Metzler:

you go. If it's not on if it's not on Garmin forget about Strava. If it's not on Garmin for Taylor, it didn't happen.

Taylor Knibb:

No. But it's also, like, I love the screen. I love my screens. I love the device. Like, I pretty much matched it, but it's not the same.

Taylor Knibb:

Yeah. Sorry. I I yeah.

Justin Metzler:

No. I'm like that too. I I know I know what you're saying.

Taylor Knibb:

Well oh, and also my AirPods.

Justin Metzler:

Totally.

Taylor Knibb:

Which I I'm on AirPods number 7. So I know I 7?

Justin Metzler:

Genie's, I'm, like, 4.

Jeanni Metzler:

I'm behind on the AirPod area.

Taylor Knibb:

1, 5. I I'm, like, I've lost like, one flies out of my ears sometimes when I ride, and it got run over. And so I

Jeanni Metzler:

always take them out when I had to sing because I'm, like, I can't lose the hip hop.

Taylor Knibb:

No. I lost 1 on 73rd once. Oh, no. It flew out, and then I turned around to get it. And then a car came and just I watched it.

Taylor Knibb:

Yeah.

Justin Metzler:

Alright. Would you rather use your road bike for all races or your TT bike for all races? Rules don't apply.

Taylor Knibb:

Oh, TT bike 100%. I can drive a TT bike in the draft legal races? Yeah. Come on. Alright.

Taylor Knibb:

Sweet.

Justin Metzler:

It's Perfect.

Taylor Knibb:

But but okay. But but I have 2 TT bikes. That's the issue. Because I have a UCI TT bike and the triathlon TT bike. And I think for the, like, all the races, I would have to go the triathlon version because it has ISO speed and it has a bento box.

Taylor Knibb:

And I snacks

Justin Metzler:

in there for sure.

Taylor Knibb:

Yeah. And and I got made fun of for taping my gels to my top tube, so that's a no no. Exactly.

Justin Metzler:

No no no.

Taylor Knibb:

No no no. Triathlon. You said that,

Jeanni Metzler:

like, Kevin Macdonald style.

Taylor Knibb:

Oh, I just dropped him

Justin Metzler:

on there.

Taylor Knibb:

I remember in 2021 on my road bike, I would tape all of my gels to my top tube, and I got so much hard time for that. So I can't do that. And, no, don't worry. The time trial, I didn't take anything in.

Justin Metzler:

No one's allowed to say anything when you win the race by 15 minutes. You can tape as many gels as you want to the top tube.

Taylor Knibb:

No. Everyone's always allowed to say everything. I just wish people would understand the art of you can have opinions, but you don't have to share them.

Justin Metzler:

Totally. No. I'm with you on that. Alright. What's Jeanie came up with this question.

Justin Metzler:

What's one thing you have to do around the house before bed in order to fall asleep? Like, Jeanie's gotta make sure the kitchen's, like, spotless. Like, if there's a dish

Jeanni Metzler:

Like, yeah. I can't

Justin Metzler:

do the end

Jeanni Metzler:

of my kitchen. It's in

Justin Metzler:

She's not sleeping. Yeah. My dad's gotta set the alarm. If the alarm's not set, he's, like, not gonna sleep that night.

Taylor Knibb:

Oh. Well, I have to make sure that my temperature is 65. It's always 65. And

Jeanni Metzler:

Yeah. I'll do.

Taylor Knibb:

Except for but but oh, and I like my shades drawn and a fan on. So Nice. Ceiling. So there's probably a lot, but but that doesn't even guarantee sleep always. So it's like

Jeanni Metzler:

Yeah. It doesn't.

Justin Metzler:

Okay. Let's see. 2 more. What would you do if you couldn't do triathlon anymore?

Taylor Knibb:

Well, in terms of, like, a profession or just, like, with my time?

Justin Metzler:

Yeah. With your time.

Taylor Knibb:

Oh, I don't know. That's a really good question. I probably go back to school. I don't know what I'd go back to school in. I have probably 3 things that I'd like to pursue, but, yeah, I'd probably take a little time off from everything though.

Justin Metzler:

Okay. We'll have to get into those on another episode. And then final rapid fire question is when you retire, what do you wanna be remembered for?

Taylor Knibb:

Oh, goodness. I'm not sure. I hope my retirement is very, very, very long way away. But so we'll see. Because I think I hope my career evolves and develops.

Taylor Knibb:

Sure. Maybe it's not even known yet.

Justin Metzler:

That's a good answer because there's still very much to come for Taylor nib. Taylor, thank you very much for coming on the on the episode. Jeannie, thank you for co hosting the episode. I had fun.

Taylor Knibb:

Well, thank you for having me. That was fun.

Justin Metzler:

Awesome. Thank you, guys. Alright. That was a great conversation with Taylor Nipp. Big thanks to Jeannie for helping me cohost that episode.

Justin Metzler:

I felt like we got a perspective from Taylor that maybe you don't see all the time, and it was really fun. You know? She's a friend of ours, and it was great to just kind of, yeah, ask her some questions, have a couple laughs, and enjoy, some time together. So I hope you enjoyed the episode as much as I did, and we will see you in the next episode. Peace.

Taylor Knibb: Two Time Ironman 70.3 Champion and Two Time Olympic Silver Medalist

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